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Last Akira Toriyama Interview Discussion
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+ ThePrinceOfSaiyans	May 5 2014, 08:32 PM Post #46
魔王子 Posts: 9,797 Group: Elite Member Member #10,492 Joined: November 16, 2013 Gender Male Favourite Anime Dragon Ball Z What Browser do you use? Google Chrome Favourite Manga Dragon Ball	Vertical May 5 2014, 08:30 PM ThePrinceOfSaiyajins May 5 2014, 08:16 PM Vertical May 5 2014, 08:15 PM ThePrinceOfSaiyajins May 5 2014, 02:55 PM That is the case. If people can train to increase their power, laziness can force a drop. Gohan is proof of this, and this tidbit of information at least makes sense of what is stated by both Trunks and the Daizenshuu. I think you missed my point... I agree that if you can train to increase your power then slacking off would decrease it... but my point was you can't go below a starting point. So, unless you believe that Androids trained their way to their Android Arc level, they cannot drop below it. Since when is that a rule? The only rule I know of is that you cannot drop to 0. That's my point. Their zero is their Android Arc starting point. Except their power levels are not 0.... You're literally making this rule up. Edited by ThePrinceOfSaiyans, May 5 2014, 08:32 PM.
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Vertical	May 5 2014, 08:38 PM Post #47
Posts: 2,542 Group: Member Member #8,475 Joined: October 27, 2012	ThePrinceOfSaiyajins May 5 2014, 08:32 PM Vertical May 5 2014, 08:30 PM ThePrinceOfSaiyajins May 5 2014, 08:16 PM Vertical May 5 2014, 08:15 PM ThePrinceOfSaiyajins May 5 2014, 02:55 PM That is the case. If people can train to increase their power, laziness can force a drop. Gohan is proof of this, and this tidbit of information at least makes sense of what is stated by both Trunks and the Daizenshuu. I think you missed my point... I agree that if you can train to increase your power then slacking off would decrease it... but my point was you can't go below a starting point. So, unless you believe that Androids trained their way to their Android Arc level, they cannot drop below it. Since when is that a rule? The only rule I know of is that you cannot drop to 0. That's my point. Their zero is their Android Arc starting point. Except their power levels are not 0.... You're literally making this rule up. I has nothing to do with their power levels. They can make training gains, they can lose training gains. That's it. You're the one that's actually extending it beyond that and I'm trying to point that out.
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+ ThePrinceOfSaiyans	May 5 2014, 08:42 PM Post #48
魔王子 Posts: 9,797 Group: Elite Member Member #10,492 Joined: November 16, 2013 Gender Male Favourite Anime Dragon Ball Z What Browser do you use? Google Chrome Favourite Manga Dragon Ball	Vertical May 5 2014, 08:38 PM ThePrinceOfSaiyajins May 5 2014, 08:32 PM Vertical May 5 2014, 08:30 PM ThePrinceOfSaiyajins May 5 2014, 08:16 PM Vertical May 5 2014, 08:15 PM ThePrinceOfSaiyajins May 5 2014, 02:55 PM That is the case. If people can train to increase their power, laziness can force a drop. Gohan is proof of this, and this tidbit of information at least makes sense of what is stated by both Trunks and the Daizenshuu. I think you missed my point... I agree that if you can train to increase your power then slacking off would decrease it... but my point was you can't go below a starting point. So, unless you believe that Androids trained their way to their Android Arc level, they cannot drop below it. Since when is that a rule? The only rule I know of is that you cannot drop to 0. That's my point. Their zero is their Android Arc starting point. Except their power levels are not 0.... You're literally making this rule up. I has nothing to do with their power levels. They can make training gains, they can lose training gains. That's it. You're the one that's actually extending it beyond that and I'm trying to point that out. -You made that up. -When has that been stated? -How? It's they don't train, they get weaker. Simple as that. Assuming they can't go below their starting power level is a baseless accusation on your part. As long as it doesn't drop to 0, they can drop to any power level given enough time.
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Vertical	May 5 2014, 09:11 PM Post #49
Posts: 2,542 Group: Member Member #8,475 Joined: October 27, 2012	ThePrinceOfSaiyajins May 5 2014, 08:42 PM Vertical May 5 2014, 08:38 PM ThePrinceOfSaiyajins May 5 2014, 08:32 PM Vertical May 5 2014, 08:30 PM ThePrinceOfSaiyajins May 5 2014, 08:16 PM Vertical May 5 2014, 08:15 PM ThePrinceOfSaiyajins May 5 2014, 02:55 PM That is the case. If people can train to increase their power, laziness can force a drop. Gohan is proof of this, and this tidbit of information at least makes sense of what is stated by both Trunks and the Daizenshuu. I think you missed my point... I agree that if you can train to increase your power then slacking off would decrease it... but my point was you can't go below a starting point. So, unless you believe that Androids trained their way to their Android Arc level, they cannot drop below it. Since when is that a rule? The only rule I know of is that you cannot drop to 0. That's my point. Their zero is their Android Arc starting point. Except their power levels are not 0.... You're literally making this rule up. I has nothing to do with their power levels. They can make training gains, they can lose training gains. That's it. You're the one that's actually extending it beyond that and I'm trying to point that out. -You made that up. -When has that been stated? -How? It's they don't train, they get weaker. Simple as that. Assuming they can't go below their starting power level is a baseless accusation on your part. As long as it doesn't drop to 0, they can drop to any power level given enough time. sigh You're trying to pull more from the quote than is actually there. If you can gain strength, it is logical to assume you can lose that strength (as shown with Gohan) but to stretch that to encompass losing pre-gained strength is not logical at all.
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+ ThePrinceOfSaiyans	May 6 2014, 12:11 AM Post #50
魔王子 Posts: 9,797 Group: Elite Member Member #10,492 Joined: November 16, 2013 Gender Male Favourite Anime Dragon Ball Z What Browser do you use? Google Chrome Favourite Manga Dragon Ball	Vertical May 5 2014, 09:11 PM ThePrinceOfSaiyajins May 5 2014, 08:42 PM Vertical May 5 2014, 08:38 PM ThePrinceOfSaiyajins May 5 2014, 08:32 PM Vertical May 5 2014, 08:30 PM ThePrinceOfSaiyajins May 5 2014, 08:16 PM Vertical May 5 2014, 08:15 PM ThePrinceOfSaiyajins May 5 2014, 02:55 PM That is the case. If people can train to increase their power, laziness can force a drop. Gohan is proof of this, and this tidbit of information at least makes sense of what is stated by both Trunks and the Daizenshuu. I think you missed my point... I agree that if you can train to increase your power then slacking off would decrease it... but my point was you can't go below a starting point. So, unless you believe that Androids trained their way to their Android Arc level, they cannot drop below it. Since when is that a rule? The only rule I know of is that you cannot drop to 0. That's my point. Their zero is their Android Arc starting point. Except their power levels are not 0.... You're literally making this rule up. I has nothing to do with their power levels. They can make training gains, they can lose training gains. That's it. You're the one that's actually extending it beyond that and I'm trying to point that out. -You made that up. -When has that been stated? -How? It's they don't train, they get weaker. Simple as that. Assuming they can't go below their starting power level is a baseless accusation on your part. As long as it doesn't drop to 0, they can drop to any power level given enough time. sigh You're trying to pull more from the quote than is actually there. If you can gain strength, it is logical to assume you can lose that strength (as shown with Gohan) but to stretch that to encompass losing pre-gained strength is not logical at all. All I'm saying is Toriyama's quote makes sense of what was originally thought to be unnecessary. Except that's not true in the slightest. A person can lose what strength he or she initially had if they never work out or become malnourished.
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DSTREET45	May 6 2014, 01:35 AM Post #51
Posts: 883 Group: Member Member #9,779 Joined: July 21, 2013 Gender Male Favourite Anime Dragonball/Yu Yu Hakusho What Browser do you use? Google Chrome Favourite Manga Yu Yu Hakusho	ThePrinceOfSaiyajins May 6 2014, 12:11 AM Vertical May 5 2014, 09:11 PM ThePrinceOfSaiyajins May 5 2014, 08:42 PM Vertical May 5 2014, 08:38 PM ThePrinceOfSaiyajins May 5 2014, 08:32 PM Vertical May 5 2014, 08:30 PM ThePrinceOfSaiyajins May 5 2014, 08:16 PM Vertical May 5 2014, 08:15 PM ThePrinceOfSaiyajins May 5 2014, 02:55 PM That is the case. If people can train to increase their power, laziness can force a drop. Gohan is proof of this, and this tidbit of information at least makes sense of what is stated by both Trunks and the Daizenshuu. I think you missed my point... I agree that if you can train to increase your power then slacking off would decrease it... but my point was you can't go below a starting point. So, unless you believe that Androids trained their way to their Android Arc level, they cannot drop below it. Since when is that a rule? The only rule I know of is that you cannot drop to 0. That's my point. Their zero is their Android Arc starting point. Except their power levels are not 0.... You're literally making this rule up. I has nothing to do with their power levels. They can make training gains, they can lose training gains. That's it. You're the one that's actually extending it beyond that and I'm trying to point that out. -You made that up. -When has that been stated? -How? It's they don't train, they get weaker. Simple as that. Assuming they can't go below their starting power level is a baseless accusation on your part. As long as it doesn't drop to 0, they can drop to any power level given enough time. sigh You're trying to pull more from the quote than is actually there. If you can gain strength, it is logical to assume you can lose that strength (as shown with Gohan) but to stretch that to encompass losing pre-gained strength is not logical at all. All I'm saying is Toriyama's quote makes sense of what was originally thought to be unnecessary. Except that's not true in the slightest. A person can lose what strength he or she initially had if they never work out or become malnourished. Yeah I agree with Vertical here. The Andriods were pre-set to have the strength they have now. Also the Andriods from the future weren't stated to have lost strength overtime and I refused to believe that they trained when they were too busy destroying places/people for fun, especially since they had no reason to train in the first place. You need to prove that the artificial ki they started out with is capable of decreasing over time which was never shown in the future nor the present timeline.



+ ThePrinceOfSaiyans	May 6 2014, 02:01 AM Post #52
魔王子 Posts: 9,797 Group: Elite Member Member #10,492 Joined: November 16, 2013 Gender Male Favourite Anime Dragon Ball Z What Browser do you use? Google Chrome Favourite Manga Dragon Ball	DSTREET45 May 6 2014, 01:35 AM ThePrinceOfSaiyajins May 6 2014, 12:11 AM Vertical May 5 2014, 09:11 PM ThePrinceOfSaiyajins May 5 2014, 08:42 PM Vertical May 5 2014, 08:38 PM ThePrinceOfSaiyajins May 5 2014, 08:32 PM Vertical May 5 2014, 08:30 PM ThePrinceOfSaiyajins May 5 2014, 08:16 PM Vertical May 5 2014, 08:15 PM ThePrinceOfSaiyajins May 5 2014, 02:55 PM That is the case. If people can train to increase their power, laziness can force a drop. Gohan is proof of this, and this tidbit of information at least makes sense of what is stated by both Trunks and the Daizenshuu. I think you missed my point... I agree that if you can train to increase your power then slacking off would decrease it... but my point was you can't go below a starting point. So, unless you believe that Androids trained their way to their Android Arc level, they cannot drop below it. Since when is that a rule? The only rule I know of is that you cannot drop to 0. That's my point. Their zero is their Android Arc starting point. Except their power levels are not 0.... You're literally making this rule up. I has nothing to do with their power levels. They can make training gains, they can lose training gains. That's it. You're the one that's actually extending it beyond that and I'm trying to point that out. -You made that up. -When has that been stated? -How? It's they don't train, they get weaker. Simple as that. Assuming they can't go below their starting power level is a baseless accusation on your part. As long as it doesn't drop to 0, they can drop to any power level given enough time. sigh You're trying to pull more from the quote than is actually there. If you can gain strength, it is logical to assume you can lose that strength (as shown with Gohan) but to stretch that to encompass losing pre-gained strength is not logical at all. All I'm saying is Toriyama's quote makes sense of what was originally thought to be unnecessary. Except that's not true in the slightest. A person can lose what strength he or she initially had if they never work out or become malnourished. Yeah I agree with Vertical here. The Andriods were pre-set to have the strength they have now. Also the Andriods from the future weren't stated to have lost strength overtime and I refused to believe that they trained when they were too busy destroying places/people for fun, especially since they had no reason to train in the first place. You need to prove that the artificial ki they started out with is capable of decreasing over time which was never shown in the future nor the present timeline. Ki decreasing as a result of not training is supported by Gohan. The idea that Ki cannot drop below someone's initial level is not supported in the slightest, and really doesn't make sense in the grand scheme of things. Humans can have their strength drop below their initial level if they don't train or become malnourished. Sorry but I'm not the one that needs to prove something.
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EMIYA	May 6 2014, 04:04 AM Post #53
"I am the bone of my sword." Posts: 11,326 Group: Super Moderator Member #8,292 Joined: September 16, 2012 Gender Not Specified Country United States Favourite Anime Clannad, Shinsekai Yori What Browser do you use? Mozilla Firefox Favourite Manga Hellsing, Elfen Lied, Trigun Maximum	The initial parts of the cyborgs that Gero created is essentially their starting point for their entire bodies. The cyborgs were just normal humans with no astounding ki increases to them. Gero is the one who created the capabilities of their power. You could essentially think of it as two different kis. one is the natural human ki that the cyborgs have and the other is the so called Infinite Reactor Ki. The Infinite Reactor Ki is what Gero specifically installed. We call it infinite but really that's only in the sense of a designated amount of ki put in. Let's say that number is a thousand. Unless that Infinite React **s up somehow, the cyborgs will always have that ki input of a 1,000 to use with. Otherwise its no longer limitless. If according to AT's words its essentially taking the Initial Infinite Ki or that 1,000 and then adding in the natural ki the cyborgs produce by training and stuff. So they might add in a 100 through training and make that 1,100. If they get weaker it drops down but won't drop below that designated 1,000. This is perhaps why someone like the mechanical cyborgs such as No. 16 can't get any stronger unless specifically implanted inside of him. He only has his infinite stamina that will never change. It's like a computer. Everything a computer does has been specifically been input into it. If you don't input something into it, then it won't do it. A computer doesn't start become self-aware out of the blue because it logically can't. No. 17 and No. 18 can sit on their es all day drinking beer and smoking cigars and just kill their bodies and becomes exceedingly weak in terms of natural ki. But as long as that infinite ki reactor or whatever is still working, they won't go below that set standard Gero put. Maybe at some point that reactor will begin to flaw over time, get rusty a bit. But a lack of training isn't going to be messing that thing up much. Edited by EMIYA*, May 6 2014, 04:05 AM.



~~StrawHatCrew~~	May 6 2014, 04:36 AM Post #54
Posts: 4,004 Group: Suspended Member #9,708 Joined: July 4, 2013 Favourite Anime Dragon Ball (Z), Captain Tsubasa, Naruto (Original) Favourite Manga Dragon Ball, Dr. Slump, One-Piece	@Prince: So you think some1 like #19 can loose strength if he does not train?



Vertical	May 6 2014, 05:55 AM Post #55
Posts: 2,542 Group: Member Member #8,475 Joined: October 27, 2012	Brofist articulated it better than I had been. The fact that they're not martial artists is the main reason they can't go below their Android Arc selves.
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sekzee	May 6 2014, 07:24 PM Post #56
Posts: 1,336 Group: Member Member #11,101 Joined: March 25, 2014 Gender Not Specified What Browser do you use? Firefaux Favourite Manga Nein	Well, I would've followed the logic that they wouldn't get weaker, but then AT decided to say that they do age... ...so it is entirely possible for them to get weaker than the starting point over extended periods of time, which would explain the power discrepancy between the future and present Androids. I also understand that their power source is bio-mechanical, and not purely mechanical in nature. Edited by sekzee, May 6 2014, 07:25 PM.



ObsessiveFanBoy	May 6 2014, 09:29 PM Post #57
I am Always Right... Unless When I'm Wrong Posts: 613 Group: Member Member #9,710 Joined: July 5, 2013 Gender Not Specified Favourite Anime DBZ, Pokemon, Yu-Gi-Oh, Medabots, Digimon, Cardcaptor Sakura What Browser do you use? Chrome Favourite Manga DBZ (only manga I've ever read)	Too bad nobody ever asks him who is stronger: Evil Boo or Pure Boo, just so we can finally end this debate.
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Nanho	May 7 2014, 01:04 AM Post #58
Posts: 464 Group: Probation Member #8,818 Joined: January 6, 2013	^The answer to that question wouldn't just end one debate too.



EMIYA	May 7 2014, 02:21 AM Post #59
"I am the bone of my sword." Posts: 11,326 Group: Super Moderator Member #8,292 Joined: September 16, 2012 Gender Not Specified Country United States Favourite Anime Clannad, Shinsekai Yori What Browser do you use? Mozilla Firefox Favourite Manga Hellsing, Elfen Lied, Trigun Maximum	Nanho May 7 2014, 01:04 AM ^The answer to that question wouldn't just end one debate too. Next Interview: Respondent: Toriyama Sensei, who is stronger, Evil Boo or Pure Boo? Toriyama: Well everyone knows that, it's Evil Boo. You talkin' about the skinny Grey Boo right?



sekzee	May 7 2014, 05:13 PM Post #60
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